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GMHague Presonic Joined: 29/07/2010 14:24:50 Messages: 282 Location: South West Australia Offline
Hi guys, when I play MIDI data into S1 in real time (drums, for example) I can actually hear that my timing is quite close.. been doing it a while. But the notes painted into the grid are considerably out of time and don't seem to be synchronised with either what I'm physically hearing or any expected latency caused by my buffer settings. I'm trying to figure out what's happening here or alternatively what I can do to get a better idea what's wrong. Can I apply the zero latency feature to a Virtual Instrument, for example? In fact, the notes seem to be even registering early, not late, in relation to the metronome (or the metronome is playing 'ahead' of the grid, if that makes sense). SORRY- this is correct, but the problem still exists if I program (say) a hi-hat, quantize them and then use the hi hats as a reference instead of the metronome. New data is still drawn slightly early. Some suggested experiments would be a help to pin down what's going on, if no one knows. Cheers, Bag.
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You cannot use zero latency on a virtual instrument. Zero latency monitoring basically routes the incomming signal of the audio interface directly back to the outputs, before getting to Studio One. There is a midi offset option in the Options, Advanced, MIDI settings. You might want to try that.
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Subject:MIDI Latency question
GMHague Presonic Joined: 29/07/2010 14:24:50 Messages: 282 Location: South West Australia Offline
Motoko wrote:There is a midi offset option in the Options, Advanced, MIDI settings. You might want to try that.
Cheera Motoko, it might help.. I'll have to experiment. Unfortunately a thorough search of the PDF manual doesn't give me any info on this particular setting or how, or what, it's supposed to do. Cheers.
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I'm not sure what the manual does or doesn't say, but I think its to compensate for latency introduced in the midi side of things.
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GMHague wrote:Hi guys, when I play MIDI data into S1 in real time (drums, for example) I can actually hear that my timing is quite close.. been doing it a while. But the notes painted into the grid are considerably out of time and don't seem to be synchronised with either what I'm physically hearing or any expected latency caused by my buffer settings. I'm trying to figure out what's happening here or alternatively what I can do to get a better idea what's wrong. Can I apply the zero latency feature to a Virtual Instrument, for example? In fact, the notes seem to be even registering early, not late, in relation to the metronome (or the metronome is playing 'ahead' of the grid, if that makes sense). SORRY- this is correct, but the problem still exists if I program (say) a hi-hat, quantize them and then use the hi hats as a reference instead of the metronome. New data is still drawn slightly early. Some suggested experiments would be a help to pin down what's going on, if no one knows. Cheers, Bag.
Studio 1 is a hi-res sequencer and sometimes your MIDI notes maybe playing back early no matter how many you re-record the passes. I use the MIDI offset parameter at 20 ms and this helps with the MIDI loop recording as well. I found that on loop around, the 'first' note winds up on the 'end' or last measure of the section. With the MIDI rec offset, this issue is addressed to perfection. You can try different settings, but for me, 20 ms works. I also still line up the events up to the measure to ensure better quantization.
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Subject:MIDI Latency question
GMHague Presonic Joined: 29/07/2010 14:24:50 Messages: 282 Location: South West Australia Offline
trvqnycI found that on loop around, the 'first' note winds up on the 'end' or last measure of the section. With the MIDI rec offset, this issue is addressed to perfection. You can try different settings, but for me, 20 ms works. I also still line up the events up to the measure to ensure better quantization. [/quote wrote: Cheers Troy, yes this is exactly the kind of behaviour I'm talking about, so I'm guessing your solution is the go! Thanks for your help. Graeme.
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